Word for Word http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php/option=com_altcaster/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=b4e27d1cf1/height=//width= Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:59:55 GMT Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:02:50 GMT 1 en-us <![CDATA[2:01 Comment From Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:01:39 GMT <![CDATA[2:02 Comment From Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:02:25 GMT <![CDATA[2:03 Comment From Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:03:08 GMT <![CDATA[2:03 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:03:27 GMT Thanks, Domenick. I hope visitors have been able to visit our panel discussion so far - all three rounds have been illuminating in their own way, from the abstract level to several fascinating specific examples.
]]> <![CDATA[2:05 Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:05:35 GMT Well Anthony, you could give us and everyone else out there a bit of a preview! What did you have in mind for an opening salvo Lane?
]]> <![CDATA[2:06 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:06:13 GMT I thought maybe it would be a good idea to start us off with a good story, newspaper style. You know the drill: an illuminating little vignette that starts the first paragraph, which intrigues us before we learn what it all means. Do you have a favorite translation story? Something truly mind-bending to translate? Or a brilliant example of something done well? ]]> <![CDATA[2:08 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:08:01 GMT And if not, I'm happy to start with a true story, and one that shows that Context Is King when we talk about translation. ]]> <![CDATA[2:08 Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:08:17 GMT Certainly we'd love to hear from everyone out there. But Lane, why don't you start us off?
]]> <![CDATA[2:08 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:08:55 GMT It's the story of an African delegate to the General Assembly at the United Nations: he said (apologies that I don't have an easy way to do French characters):

"L'Afrique ne construit plus des autels aux dieux"
]]> <![CDATA[2:09 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:09:14 GMT Speaking up for the modernity of his continent, he'd said "Africa no longer builds altars to the gods."
]]> <![CDATA[2:09 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:09:48 GMT But that sentence has a perfect homophone, that almost works as well in the context. The interpreter heard "L'Afrique ne construit plus des hotels odieux." ]]> <![CDATA[2:09 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:09:58 GMT "Africa no longer builds horrible hotels." ]]> <![CDATA[2:11 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:11:14 GMT Nice one! ]]> <![CDATA[2:11 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:11:20 GMT The joke here is on the interpreter, of course, not the diplomat. It's *hard* being a translator, far harder than simply speaking a foreign language.
]]> <![CDATA[2:11 Comment From RevMai]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:11:46 GMT <![CDATA[2:12 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:12:19 GMT Anthony, , RevMai's comment strikes me as right on. Have you ever had particular trouble with a joke? ]]> <![CDATA[2:13 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:13:38 GMT Robert, I heard that story as a true one; it *could* be urban legend, but it's plausible because a) the homophones are perfect, and b) as I said, both comments work in context, as the diplomat is extolling the country's modernity. ]]> <![CDATA[2:14 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:14:19 GMT <![CDATA[2:14 Comment From Trevor Baum]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:14:22 GMT <![CDATA[2:14 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:14:55 GMT In the years I worked as a conference interpreter, I guess everything was thrown at me. But you learn to solve all these problems, usually through omission, generalization, and paraphrase. ]]> <![CDATA[2:15 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:15:26 GMT The reality of practice isn't quite as impossible as the anecdotes would make it sound. ]]> <![CDATA[2:15 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:15:51 GMT Anthony, how often do you just say "you know what, that's not important and is going to take too long - I'm not interpreting that bit"?
]]> <![CDATA[2:16 Comment From Rachel Wells]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:16:08 GMT <![CDATA[2:16 Comment From RevMai]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:16:11 GMT <![CDATA[2:17 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:17:08 GMT Interpreters use omission all the time (but don't tell anyone...). the key is in judging "what is important". ]]> <![CDATA[2:17 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:17:30 GMT <![CDATA[2:17 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:17:58 GMT Indeed: where there is high risk, you work hard on the translation. If not, then not. ]]> <![CDATA[2:18 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:18:07 GMT Anthony, have you ever had someone understand your interpretation and say "hey, that's not what I said?" ]]> <![CDATA[2:18 Comment From RevMai]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:18:20 GMT <![CDATA[2:18 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:18:21 GMT <![CDATA[2:19 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:19:47 GMT When speakers are speaking, they can't hear the interpreter. So interpreters are relatively safe. ]]> <![CDATA[2:20 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:20:07 GMT Anthony, I'd throw that one to you as the expert, but RevMai and Robert both, I'd say as a non-expert that you're right, but *every* act of communication requires some interpretation on the listener's part. Anyone who's been married or in a long relationship knows this... ]]> <![CDATA[2:20 Comment From RevMai]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:20:20 GMT <![CDATA[2:21 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:21:06 GMT And yes, interpreters are editing all the time. And yet they are trusted, You know why? If my voice sounds smooth, unhurried, and authoritative, that's usually enough, (Don't trust interpreters!) ]]> <![CDATA[2:22 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:22:19 GMT Right ; expectation plays an enormous role in comprehension. If I know the general topic of conversation, trying to understand a language I'm not expert in (like Russian, say), it's not too hard. If I'm thrown into the middle of a conversation or TV program or some such, it's very hard to catch up. So to a large extent we do hear what we want to, because it's *easier*.
]]> <![CDATA[2:22 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:22:21 GMT <![CDATA[2:22 Comment From Chris Wong]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:22:22 GMT <![CDATA[2:23 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:23:36 GMT Chris, I assume you mean "interpreters" by "they". ]]> <![CDATA[2:24 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:24:10 GMT <![CDATA[2:24 Comment From Chris Wong]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:24:11 GMT <![CDATA[2:24 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:24:46 GMT As a journalist, I have to interpret news to readers; you have to trust that I'm giving you all the important information that I got when I was reporting, and also trust that it's part of my job to cut the fat, since I don't have unlimited space. I know that's not what people expect out of an interpreter, but it's not totally different in practice. ]]> <![CDATA[2:24 Comment From cryptho2000]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:24:58 GMT <![CDATA[2:25 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:25:50 GMT Anthony, do you think it's unethical - or perhaps inevitable - that intepreters will cut and shade a bit? ]]> <![CDATA[2:26 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:26:30 GMT In a word: mediators are ethical when they enable all parties to cooperate.
]]> <![CDATA[2:26 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:26:40 GMT <![CDATA[2:27 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:27:28 GMT I mean, we have to forget about fidelity to words, or even to intentions. We should admit that the translation or rendition will always be different. ]]> <![CDATA[2:27 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:27:28 GMT <![CDATA[2:27 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:27:39 GMT Do you consider the interpreter's role that of a mediator? I think that many would consider it something of a technical job ("just say what I said in Russian!")
]]> <![CDATA[2:28 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:28:31 GMT A journalist interprets, but cannot invent facts. A translator has much the same remit. ]]> <![CDATA[2:28 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:28:31 GMT <![CDATA[2:28 Comment From wb]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:28:32 GMT <![CDATA[2:28 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:28:37 GMT That's true; but that's because readers expect that to be part of my job. I think what Anthony may be saying is that more people should understand that this is true to a certain extent of his job too. ]]> <![CDATA[2:29 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:29:18 GMT I think that's a good question from wb, Anthony. Obviously the time constraints are vastly different... ]]> <![CDATA[2:29 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:29:34 GMT No, DON'T TELL ANYONE WHAT I'M SAYING. It will blow the whole professional cover! ]]> <![CDATA[2:30 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:30:12 GMT Reading a novel and attending a conference involve very different kindsof communicative cooperation. ]]> <![CDATA[2:30 Comment From RevMai]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:30:30 GMT <![CDATA[2:30 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:30:32 GMT And anyone who hasn't seen Anthony's story of a dilemma in translation - do you correct a straightforward fact mistake? - should read here:
http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/interact/online-forum/word-for-word/session-2 ]]> <![CDATA[2:31 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:31:43 GMT <![CDATA[2:31 Comment From wb]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:31:44 GMT <![CDATA[2:31 Comment From shin yi]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:31:46 GMT <![CDATA[2:31 Comment From RevMai]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:31:48 GMT <![CDATA[2:32 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:32:03 GMT <![CDATA[2:32 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:32:22 GMT RevMai, agreed. Do read Anthony's story, though.
]]> <![CDATA[2:32 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:32:45 GMT For everyone unfamiliar with the terms, "interpretation" is usually applied only to speech, and "translation" to writing, in the profession. ]]> <![CDATA[2:32 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:32:57 GMT Well, there's literature and literature: Harlequin novels have to be translated to meet a certain number of pages, and the numbers are fixed according to the target language... ]]> <![CDATA[2:33 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:33:25 GMT And it is an important and interesting fact that most translators translate *into* their native language; most interpreters interpret *out of* their native language. Correct Anthony? ]]> <![CDATA[2:34 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:34:23 GMT These days interpreters usually have to go both ways. And many written translators in the smaller languages usually go both ways, too, since there are not enough into-English translators to go around. ]]> <![CDATA[2:34 Comment From shin yi]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:34:28 GMT <![CDATA[2:34 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:34:31 GMT <![CDATA[2:35 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:35:11 GMT I think it would be not too difficult to interpret both ways. But being a literary-level writer in a foreign language is hugely difficult. It's difficult in one's native language, whereas more or less everyone speaks fluidly. ]]> <![CDATA[2:35 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:35:48 GMT The UN dogma was that interpreters had to go into their native language. But the Russians never agreed - they would not let others represent their texts! ]]> <![CDATA[2:36 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:36:01 GMT So to translate a piece of literature from Russian, you have to be a very good writer in English in addition to having an excellent command of Russian vocabulary, style, history, culture and so on. ]]> <![CDATA[2:36 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:36:47 GMT ...or you'd have to be good at post-editing Google! ]]> <![CDATA[2:36 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:36:57 GMT <![CDATA[2:37 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:37:32 GMT In our discussion at the Forum, Biljana Scott said that in translating, the very hardest thing to translate is the unsaid - what isn't there. It's not in the text, but every native speaker of X knows the connections a given word or phrase has with the history, culture, other words, and so on. (Robert B, of course - I was just using Russian as an example.) ]]> <![CDATA[2:38 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:38:22 GMT What do you do? If you added in that "unsaid" that Biljana mentioned, you'd be altering the text in a way that most people (here?) seem to think unacceptable. If you don't, you have in effect an incomplete translation. ]]> <![CDATA[2:39 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:39:03 GMT I hope that this is a reason people keep learning foreign languages, even if English's spread continues and computers improve, as both likely will do. ]]> <![CDATA[2:39 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:39:17 GMT this is why most translations "spell out" information, they "explicitate", and they thus tend to be longer than their sources. ]]> <![CDATA[2:39 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:39:28 GMT <![CDATA[2:39 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:39:29 GMT <![CDATA[2:39 Comment From Chris Wong]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:39:39 GMT <![CDATA[2:40 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:40:18 GMT Chris, absolutely. I feel as though you could spend a lifetime translating and lose sleep every single night about the things you couldn't quite bring across. ]]> <![CDATA[2:40 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:40:32 GMT <![CDATA[2:41 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:41:29 GMT That's why I used to love conference interpreting - at the end of the day you went home, and no one could uncover your mistakes! Written translation is never like that. ]]> <![CDATA[2:41 Comment From Andrew]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:41:36 GMT <![CDATA[2:41 Comment From Chris Wong]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:41:41 GMT <![CDATA[2:41 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:41:43 GMT Right, Porciel. Pragmatics is totally fascinating; it would be odd to be a linguist and tell people you studied the things people don't say, I suspect... ]]> <![CDATA[2:41 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:41:44 GMT <![CDATA[2:41 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:41:46 GMT <![CDATA[2:42 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:42:42 GMT Anthony, want to take a crack at Andrew's question? I'm curious myself. ]]> <![CDATA[2:43 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:43:05 GMT (And Robert, you're right: I take it as axiomatic that there's a great deal of slippage in translation.) ]]> <![CDATA[2:43 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:43:29 GMT <![CDATA[2:44 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:44:07 GMT And Porciel, do you have any insights from your research you could share? ]]> <![CDATA[2:44 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:44:57 GMT <![CDATA[2:45 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:45:23 GMT <![CDATA[2:45 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:45:26 GMT <![CDATA[2:46 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:46:11 GMT The European Parliament is fascinating in this regard; I don't think there's a body anywhere else on earth where people have the right to speak in more languages. ]]> <![CDATA[2:47 Comment From luiyo]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:47:13 GMT <![CDATA[2:47 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:47:19 GMT But I also suspect - tell me if I'm wrong, porciel or Anthony - that having to work with 20-odd languages means that more compromise is inevitable and accepted. With relatively few Hungarian-Maltese bilinguals out there, many things have to go through two-round interpretation via English and French, etc... ]]> <![CDATA[2:47 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:47:23 GMT <![CDATA[2:47 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:47:58 GMT Luiyo, very true. I find attempts to translate puns are usually very clumsy for all the obvious reasons. ]]> <![CDATA[2:48 Comment From porciel]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:48:07 GMT <![CDATA[2:48 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:48:54 GMT On the European Parliament, and the EU institutions in generla: Yes, Lane, pivot languages are used - mostly English, but that's also a dark secret.
There must also be few parliaments in the world that are as expensive and as ineffective. ]]> <![CDATA[2:48 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:48:57 GMT So do debaters limit themselves to fairly straighforward language? Or do they feel free to let loose in fully idiomatic Irish or Slovene or whatever? ]]> <![CDATA[2:49 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:49:40 GMT <![CDATA[2:50 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:50:02 GMT I can imagine drawing on some of the southernisms of my Georgia upbringing in a multilingual forum, and checking later to see how they turned out in Portuguese. ]]> <![CDATA[2:51 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:51:53 GMT I can also say that at the Constitutional Court in South Africa, all 11 official languages of the country can be used. It's probably about as many as in any other place in the world *except* the EP. ]]> <![CDATA[2:52 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:52:53 GMT But I was told on a visit there that no case has ever been made in its entirety in Afrikaans, and of course even less so in one of the African languages. English is the top dog by far and away, despite being the home language of only about 8% of South Africans. ]]> <![CDATA[2:54 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:54:21 GMT Luiyo, I also remember reading the poem the Jabberwock by Lewis Carroll in German. That one was interesting because it's almost entirely about sound - most of the key words have no actual meaning. ]]> <![CDATA[2:54 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:54:36 GMT <![CDATA[2:54 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:54:41 GMT The paradox has been described by Abram de Swaan: If you promote a lot of official languages, people will invest their efforts in the one language most likely to be lingua franca. Which is why English is winning in South Africa and in Europe. ]]> <![CDATA[2:55 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:55:16 GMT Or Lit-elle messe m'a fait... ]]> <![CDATA[2:56 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:56:05 GMT Here's "Der Jammerwock", for those who don't know it. http://www76.pair.com/keithlim/jabberwocky/translations/german1.html ]]> <![CDATA[2:56 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:56:09 GMT better: ma fête...
]]> <![CDATA[2:56 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:56:55 GMT Anthony, I have to confess you've lost me... ]]> <![CDATA[2:56 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:56:56 GMT <![CDATA[2:57 Comment From Eva]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:57:10 GMT <![CDATA[2:58 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:58:24 GMT Sorry, I was working from memory:
Lit-elle messe, moffette. Satan ne te fête, Et digne somme coeurs et nouez. À longue qu'aime est-ce pailles d'Eure. Et ne Satan bise ailleurs ...

www.blueridgejournal.com/poems/mots10-lit-elle.htm ]]> <![CDATA[2:58 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:58:30 GMT Eva, I don't know if you missed my Jammerwock above (http://www76.pair.com/keithlim/jabberwocky/translations/german1.html) but I thought that was pretty great. I'd love to hear anyone else point to a great translation they can recommend (before we run out of time, which is soon.)
]]> <![CDATA[2:58 Comment From Robert Bononno]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:58:31 GMT <![CDATA[2:59 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:59:00 GMT Ah, now I get it Anthony! ]]> <![CDATA[2:59 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:59:07 GMT Great translation: Don Quijote, in Spanish. ]]> <![CDATA[2:59 Comment From Diane]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:59:19 GMT <![CDATA[3:00 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:00:15 GMT Diane, I hope, given the subject, that it's good. ]]> <![CDATA[3:00 Comment From Diane]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:00:31 GMT <![CDATA[3:01 Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:01:02 GMT I hate to interrupt before we can get to many examples, but our hour is unfortunately up. ]]> <![CDATA[3:01 Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:01:12 GMT I’d like to thank Lane and Anthony for joining us. You two have both been great throughout the Forum so far, and today is no exception. ]]> <![CDATA[3:01 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:01:31 GMT I hope everyone is able to read the submissions at the Forum, which are truly wonderful.
]]> <![CDATA[3:01 Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:01:38 GMT To everyone who joined us, I’d like to offer a hearty thanks as well. Please continue to follow the Forum through the end of the week. If you have more thoughts on all the subjects we covered here, send them in as comments in our final sessions. ]]> <![CDATA[3:01 Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:01:53 GMT Absolutely, Lane--we've had a great week.
]]> <![CDATA[3:02 Domenick Ammirati]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:02:19 GMT So thanks again, everyone, for a superb conversation, and visit us online again soon. ]]> <![CDATA[3:02 Anthony Pym]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:02:22 GMT Many thanks to you Domenick, and to Lane for some great moderating! ]]> <![CDATA[3:02 Robert Lane Greene]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:02:23 GMT Thank you, everyone, and goodbye. ]]> <![CDATA[3:02 ]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:02:50 GMT 
 
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